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From: Warren DeLano (warren_at_delsci.com)
Date: Mon May 22 2006 - 12:34:56 CDT

FYI: I've posted a bunch of stereo CRT monitor info at

http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html

The high-refresh Ilyama monitor has been discontinued, but there are still a several reasonable CRTs being made. There are also a number of old monitors you can buy used.

Cheers,
Warren 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu 
> [mailto:owner-vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu] On Behalf Of Benjamin Goldsteen
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: Marc Baaden
> Subject: Re: vmd-l: Solutions for stereo - is CRT technology dead?
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2006, at 5:33 AM, Marc Baaden wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	Hi,
> 	our stereo CRT monitor just broke and I was trying to 
> get a replacement.
> 	It appears that nowadays it is extremely difficult to 
> obtain CRT screens
> 	with high refresh rates [1] that are suitable for 
> stereo representation. It
> 	seems as if fabrication of those models has stopped.
> 	So I wonder what viable (and affordable if possible) 
> stereo solutions do
> 	exist when one wants to go to resolutions of 1280x1024 
> or higher? Certainly
> 	manufacturers of stereo goggles like NuVision must 
> worry about this evolution?
> 
> 	I would be very interested to know what other people on 
> this list use for
> 	stereo representations that work with software like VMD 
> (eg OpenGL stereo).
> 
> 	Thanks in advance,
> 	  Marc Baaden
> 
> 	[1] high refresh rates as in 1280x1024_at_120 Hz or 
> 1600x1200_at_111 Hz
> 
> 
> 
> Mark, I am forwarding this to the whole list as it might be 
> useful to others; also I just happened across a monitor with 
> a 142kHz scanning rate.  It claims 1600x1200 @ 113Hz and 
> 1280x1024 @ 133Hz.  $700:
> http://www.iiyama.us/default.asp?SID=&LNG=US&NAV=236&PCAT=1&PR
OD=2752&CE=F&PARAMS=DATASHEET
> 
> 
> I have no experience with any of these monitors.
> 
> Good luck,
> Ben
> 
> 
> [Original message]
> Hi Marc,
> I am not aware of any mainstream CRT that does 
> 1600x1200_at_100+.  If such exists, I am guessing it will be a 
> high $$$ niche product.
> 
> Even 1280x1024_at_120Hz is becoming hard to find as the major 
> manufacturers have abandoned CRTs in favor of LCDs (or just 
> gotten out of the business all together).  The ones that 
> still make CRTs tend to only offer the economy models.  They 
> are not even flat tube not to mention stereo-ready.
> 
> StereoGraphics (now part of Real D) maintains a list of 
> stereo-ready monitors:
> http://www.reald.com/scientific/stereo_ready_monitors.asp  
> <http://www.reald.com/scientific/stereo_ready_monitors.asp%0A> 
> 
> 
> The list does not appear complete as it does not include the 
> Philips monitor that another poster also mentioned.  
> Currently they are on the 202P73/27 model which is a 22" tube 
> (20" viewable) with a 160HZ maximum refresh, 130kHz scanning 
> rate, and a maximum bandwidth/video dot rate of 360MHz.  The 
> limiting factor here will be the scanning rate.  While 120Hz 
> * 1024 lines = 123 kHz <130kHZ, that does not allow for 
> non-visible portions of the video signal such as blanking, 
> syncing, etc.  SGI IRIX-based workstations included a file 
> (moninfo?  it was somewhere under /usr/gfx) that listed the 
> required signal parameters for various monitors.  One could 
> use those parameters to calculate the precise limits of a 
> monitor.  I suspect that you won't quite hit 120HZ refresh at 
> 1280x1024 even with the latest Philips model, but at $500 USD 
> it a pretty good deal for a professional class monitor.
> 
> http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/catalog.jsp?f
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> anguage=en&country=US&catalogType=PROFESSIONAL&proxybuster=GXX
> ZEJI1TQRD5J0RMRCSHP3HKFSESI5P  
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> 
> 
> P.S.The NEC Diamondttron UWG RDF225WG is going for about 
> $5000 on the Internet.  It features, among other things, a 
> 140kHz scanning rate.
> 
>