Re: NAMD support for lone pairs

From: Brian Radak (
Date: Mon Mar 11 2019 - 17:38:33 CDT

This does seem like a difference in functionality that perhaps could be
addressed. However, that's not a small change and so I think the easiest
and best solution is to change the atom ordering as suggested in my
previous email. The residue definition for your molecule should also
include an explicit BOND statement between the lonepair and chlorine (see,
for example, the definition for CHLB in top_all36_cgenff.rtf)

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:20 PM Tabitha Nobel <>

> I did try using CHARMM-GUI but it used the older version of CGenFF
> (v.1.0.0) which does not have the lone pair on the chloro group.
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM Tabitha Nobel <>
> wrote:
>> Just confirmed that CHARMM does successfully minimize the given PSF and
>> coordinates.
>> Also to clarify, the PSF was generated using CHARMM and not CHARMM-GUI.
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:30 PM Brian Radak <>
>> wrote:
>>> I would probably not recommend trying to manually alter a PSF (though it
>>> is possible).
>>> I'm just confused by this behavior from CHARMM-GUI. It would be nice to
>>> know if their output can be run with CHARMM natively, which could indicate
>>> an overly strict response from NAMD (and maybe require a change).
>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:02 PM Tabitha Nobel <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>> Would the parent be defined in the bonds section of the PSF? Is this
>>>> something I can manually add?
>>>> I haven't run it in CHARMM, no, but if you think it's helpful I can try
>>>> to get that going. Ultimately I would want to be using NAMD though.
>>>> -Tabitha
>>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:41 AM Brian Radak <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tabitha,
>>>>> NAMD seems to interpret unbonded lonepairs as an error - there needs
>>>>> to be one (and only one) entry in the PSF indicating the parent for that
>>>>> lonepair (not just in the NUMLP block). I don't know if CHARMM includes
>>>>> this by default or not.
>>>>> I assume your PSF runs just fine in CHARMM?
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:46 PM Tabitha Nobel <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I actually used CHARMM to build the PSF. When I tried the
>>>>>> resulting files in a NAMD minimization, I got the error "FATAL ERROR: FOUND
>>>>>> Do I need to specify anything in the configuration file about the
>>>>>> lone pair? You mentioned the "lonepair on" keyword is deprecated, and I
>>>>>> didn't see mention of anything else in the current user guide.
>>>>>> I attached my stream file from CGenFF, the PSF/PDB files generated
>>>>>> from CHARMM, and my NAMD input and output files.
>>>>>> Is there other information I can provide that would shed more light
>>>>>> on this problem?
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:14 PM Brian Radak <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> This should be supported now for a valid PSF (did you try it and
>>>>>>> have it not work?).
>>>>>>> The current lack of functionality is in the RTF parser inside
>>>>>>> psfgen, so that you cannot yet build these PSFs. I would recommend
>>>>>>> CHARMM-GUI for that purpose, although there are plans to support this in
>>>>>>> the future.
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 12:10 PM Tabitha Nobel <
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your response. This might be a naive
>>>>>>>> question, but if I have a chloro group with a lone pair generated from
>>>>>>>> CGenFF, is there a way I can convert that to a currently supported format
>>>>>>>> from NAMD?
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Tabitha
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 7:45 AM Brian Radak <>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tabitha,
>>>>>>>>> As of 2.13 there should be full support for all lonepair types*
>>>>>>>>> that exist in currently published/released* *CHARMM force fields*,
>>>>>>>>> both fixed charge and Drude. This includes the "bisector" lonepairs on
>>>>>>>>> water and carbonyls as well as the "collinear" lonepairs most associated
>>>>>>>>> with halogens (e.g. chlorobenzene). Furthermore, the old "lonepair on"
>>>>>>>>> keyword should be essentially deprecated and instead auto-detected based on
>>>>>>>>> the PSF contents (it should be very obvious if this does not work).
>>>>>>>>> However, NAMD does not yet support all CHARMM compatible lonepairs because
>>>>>>>>> they are not defined in the PSF standard.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> BKR
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:27 PM Tabitha Nobel <
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear NAMD developers,
>>>>>>>>>> Are CGenFF lone pairs supported in NAMD version 2.13? This
>>>>>>>>>> question is similar to the one asked here
>>>>>>>>>> <>,
>>>>>>>>>> but I saw in the release notes
>>>>>>>>>> <> that
>>>>>>>>>> there was improved lone pair support, and it wasn't clear to me whether
>>>>>>>>>> that was only for the Drude force field.
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>> Tabitha

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