Re: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD?

From: Richard Wood (rwoodphd_at_yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 2007 - 22:32:56 CST

Hi all, I wasn't aware that one could get the Amber FF in a form that they could manipulate easily without owning Amber (this is probably because I have never used Amber); I know in my current work that the Amber FF in all its various flavors tends to give better optimized geometries than most of the other FF's out there, in some cases even better than SCC-DFTB (even Kollman's All-Atom FF is better!). Of course, I'm aware that the CHARMM FF's are readily available in all their versions, and are easily manipulated (even I have done so on several occasions). The reason I posted this was for this question as well as the person asking about how to read a NAMD dcd file into CHARMM. Myself, I would have just done my MD in CHARMM and analyzed it there, since he has CHARMM (obviously). Oh well... Richard Richard L. Wood, Ph. D. University of Minnesota Dept. of Medicinal Chemistry, College of Pharmacy 717 Delaware St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55414-2959 rwoodphd_at_yahoo.com From: JC Gumbart <gumbart_at_ks.uiuc.edu> To: Richard Wood <rwoodphd_at_yahoo.com>; namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:01:54 PM Subject: RE: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? RE: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? <!-- _filtered {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} tt {font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle20 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {} --> Technically, NAMD is forcefield agnostic. Although in practice, most users probably use the Charmm forcefield, I know of people that have used the Amber forcefield in NAMD which may be better for some purposes (IĒve heard DNA is supposedly better with Amber over Charmm, I donĒt know if itĒs still true anymore). In that way, you would get the best of both the Amber FF and the scalability and features of NAMD. If the user is not looking for specific Amber FF behavior though, I would agree with you. VMD along with Psfgen are made for preparing Charmm FF-based files and therefore are probably the most straightforward way to use NAMD as well. From: owner-namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu [mailto:owner-namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Wood Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:33 PM To: namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? Hi all, This might be a stupid question, but wouldn't one be best served to use force fields with the programs that they were developed for; or alternatively, prepare and create their systems so that they can be run in NAMD/CHARMM? Richard Richard L. Wood, Ph. D. University of Minnesota Dept. of Medicinal Chemistry, College of Pharmacy 717 Delaware St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55414-2959 rwoodphd_at_yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Huy N. Ha <Huy.Ha_at_vcp.monash.edu.au> To: mashaojie163 <mashao_jie_at_163.com>; namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:24:36 PM Subject: RE: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? The alternative would be to use Antechamber: http://amber.scripps.edu/antechamber/antechamber.html which is distributed freely, and can generate the required top/crd amber formats that you need as it contains tleap. The top file is the crucial file you need (psf doesn't work for the amber force field), as for the crd file, it will end up generating a coord(pdb) file after the minimization run anyway. Also, if I remember correctly, NAB also contains tleap http://www.scripps.edu/mb/case/casegr-sh-3.2.html and might suit your purpose? Mr. Huy Ha B. Med. Chem. Honours Student Dept. of Medicinal Chemistry Victorian College of Pharmacy Monash University 381 Royal Parade, Parkville, VIC, 3052 Phone No: 99039711 Ext: #39711 Email: Huy.Ha[at]vcp.monash.edu.au -----Original Message----- From: owner-namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu on behalf of mashaojie163 Sent: Thu 11/15/2007 11:23 PM To: Irene Newhouse; namd-l Subject: Re: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? Dear Irene Newhouse: Thank you for your quick response. I don not have amber. I find there are two file in the directory amber9.ffparms\dat\amberff_in_charmm\ cornell_all.prm and cornell_all.rtf. It seems that the two file is charmm format of amber field. Can I use it directly? Can I use cornell_all.rtf to create psf file and then use cornell_all.prm as parameter file to conduct my calculation? ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Newhouse To: mashaojie163 ; namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: RE: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? When you use the AMBER forcefield with NAMD, you will not have a psf file. That is CHARMM-style. You will have a prmtop file and an inpcrd file. The easiest way to generate these is by using tleap, which is a utility that comes with AMBER9, and only with AMBER9. The good news is that the academic price for AMBER is very reasonable. Instructions for using tleap can be found in the AMBER documentation. You create these files from a pdb input file. You can use xleap, a GUI version of tleap, to build proteins, too, but I've never tried that. The parameter files come with AMBER. You want to use ff99SB, which better simulates alpha-helical sections of protein than ff99. [That will make sense once you start looking at how to use tleap]. VMD can display prmtop & inpcrd files in a way similar to pdb/psf combinations. When you animate a dcd file computed with AMBER input with NAMD, you use the prmtop file in the same way as a psf file. Once you get hold of AMBER, write me off-line if you run into trouble & I'll try to help you out. Irene Newhouse > From: mashao_jie_at_163.com > To: namd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu > Subject: namd-l: howcan I use amber forcefield in NAMD? > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:58:39 +0800 > > Dear Sir: > How can I use amber force field to calculate protein. > I think that I should do this according to the following 3 steps. > > 1) I should generate a psf file and a coord file. Which top file should be used to gererate the psf file? Where can I download the topfile? What type is the coord file?? Is PDB OK?? > > 2) I should have a amber parameter file. Which parameter file should I choose? Where can I download the parameter file?? > > 3) I should modify the configure file acoording > http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/namd/2.6/ug/node15.html. > then I run NAMD. > > > So, there are so many questions before I excute the 3rd step. Please help me and answer the questions in detail! Thank you very much?? > Best Regards > ************************************************** > Shaojie Ma > Institute of Nano Science > Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics > mashaojie_at_nuaa.edu.cn > Nanjing 210016, China > ************************************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ

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