Re: Writing 3 subsequent timesteps to the DCD file

From: Giacomo Fiorin (gfiorin_at_seas.upenn.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 08 2009 - 10:22:46 CDT

Hi Mert, since you want groups of 3 successive time frames saved, are
you by any chance interested in computing the total forces on each
atoms with finite differences? In that case, you wouldn't probably
like to use the DCD files, because they are in single precision. Any
statistical quantity you'd compute on them is at serious risk of being
affected by rounding errors.

There is in fact a facility for getting the total forces on each atom
from the Tcl interface, the "loadforces" command.

If, instead, this rather unusual way of outputting data is for another
purpose, you definitely need to edit the code, as Axel suggested a few
times.

Giacomo

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Axel Kohlmeyer
<akohlmey_at_cmm.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:44 +0300, Mert Gür wrote:
>> Writing every 1 step gives me an huge DCD which is hard to handle even
>> for short simulation times.
>>
>> How about I perform 3 simulations at the same time.
>
> won't work. particularly, if you run the individual runs
> as parallel jobs.
>
>> I have a previous simulation and I will use its restart files so that
>> my initial system conditions are specified.
>>
>> 1- First simulation I run with a DCD frequency of every 100th step
>>
>> 2-For the second simulation, I first run my simulation for 1 step and
>> then use the final restart files for my second simulation and get the
>> DCD frequency every 100th step
>>
>> 3--For the third simulation I first run my simulation for 2 step and
>> then use the final restart files for my third simulation and then get
>> the DCD frequency every 100th step.
>>
>> So I need these simulations to be identically the same so that I will
>> get the consequent coordinates as I desire. In other words the 100.
>> step of my first simulation should be the 99. of the second and the
>> 98. of the third.
>>
>> As much as my understanding goes that should be possible. In case it
>> is what do I have to be carefull about?
>
> please update your understanding. it has been discussed on this list
> many times that subsequent (parallel) runs are sampling the same
> ensemble, but are not guaranteed to be binary identical. due to
> inherently divergent nature of coupled partial differential equations,
> that you (only) solve numerically, trajectories will always diverge
> exponentially.
>
> again, if you would explain _why_ you need this strange output
> frequency, perhaps somebody can suggest an alternate solution.
> as it stands, you have no choice but to modify the NAMD source
> code and introduce your own flag for your purposes.
>
>>
>> Would it be enough if I set only the following parameters to 1?
>>
>> nonbondedFreq 1
>> fullElectFrequency 1
>> stepspercycle 1
>
>
> this would be _very_ wasteful as you would not only run the same
> simulation 3 times, but also run each of them highly inefficiently.
> and yet it would still not sufficient. if you want this output so
> badly, you better get your preferred text editor and compiler ready
> and attack the sources.
>
> cheers,
> axel.
>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mert
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Mert Gür <gurmert_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I want to write the coordinates of 3 subsequent time frames
>> into my DCD file.
>>
>> For example
>>
>> Lets say I have a DCD writing frequency of every 100th step.
>> Hence I am writing the coordinates for the 100.time step and
>> then for the 200. timestep......
>>
>> But what I need to do is to write my coordinates for the 100.,
>> 101, 102. timesteps and then for the 200., 201, 202. time step
>> and then again for the 300., 301. ,302, timesteps and so on...
>>
>> Can I do that?
>>
>> Any suggestion or even alternative ways to do that would be of
>> big help to me.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mert
>>
>> Center for Computational Biology and Bioinformatics
>> Koc University
>> Sariyer 34450, Istanbul, Turkey
>>
>
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